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Posted By JWoggon on 14 Mar 2011 04:44 PM
Hi JennyH; I hope she posts on the forum again about the long-term results of care, but I don't think it's reasonable to assume that just because we haven't heard from her in a while, that the curvature regressed all the way back to where it was before. If the curve had returned to its original size, I'm willing to bet that she definitely would have posted that! Personally, I would be very disappointed and highly likely to share the story with others if that happened to me or my child. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for taking the time to post on the forum! All comments are greatly appreciated. I'm also very thankful for the civility and friendliness of all of the posts I've read. It's certainly okay to be curious or skeptical; I'd like to thank you for being polite as well! I'm grateful that as a moderator I have never needed to delete or edit any posts in the last four years. Warmest Regards, Josh Woggon DC jwoggon@clear-institute.org

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Still Hoping

Basic Member

24 Mar 2012 05:34 PM
Here is a link to the forum: http://www.scoliosis.org/forum/showthread.php?11542-My-Experience-At-CLEAR-INSTITUTE!/page8 I will post her next XRay update there, probably by Sept. '12

Still Hoping

Basic Member

24 Mar 2012 05:25 PM
Vaadman, It sounds like you have a fantastic chiropractor! How can I find such a competent, caring local chiro who has all the proper equipment to help a scoliosis patient?? Seems like you have to go thru 25 chiros before you find a good one. Any suggestions? Thanks.

StillHoping

Basic Member

24 Mar 2012 05:21 PM
Hello all. Just wanted to check back. I haven't had my daughter XRayed since Sept. '11. Unfortunately, she stopped doing the chair and balancing in Jan. '10. While her curves had maintained while she was doing her chair, 6 months after stopping her curves had increased 4-5 degrees :(. My full and complete story with all measurements is at scoliosis.org. Username Still Hoping. It's under the Parents section. The thread is titled "My Experience at CLEAR Institute". I would HIGHLY recommend that website. It is absolutely INVALUABLE!!! Anyone interested in real details can visit and find my thread. I hope my info can help others. Feel free to ask me more.

buschkees

Basic Member

20 Mar 2012 04:26 AM
HELLO. I have just put down my deposit for Dr. Dovorany for two week boot camp for my daughter. I see you haven't posted since 2009, how is your daughter currently doing?

sciolosisstinks

Basic Member

02 Mar 2012 11:43 PM
How is your daughter doing now? I am signed up for the first time for the two week program. We are going in June. I'm curious to know why no one has posted recently.

JWoggon

Moderator

14 Mar 2011 10:44 PM
Hi JennyH; I hope she posts on the forum again about the long-term results of care, but I don't think it's reasonable to assume that just because we haven't heard from her in a while, that the curvature regressed all the way back to where it was before. If the curve had returned to its original size, I'm willing to bet that she definitely would have posted that! Personally, I would be very disappointed and highly likely to share the story with others if that happened to me or my child. Thanks to you (and everyone else) for taking the time to post on the forum! All comments are greatly appreciated. I'm also very thankful for the civility and friendliness of all of the posts I've read. It's certainly okay to be curious or skeptical; I'd like to thank you for being polite as well! I'm grateful that as a moderator I have never needed to delete or edit any posts in the last four years. Warmest Regards, Josh Woggon DC jwoggon@clear-institute.org

marcusfamily@peoplepc.com

Basic Member

14 Mar 2011 08:22 AM
can you please contact me in regards to my daughter she too have a 34 degree curve and i am considering going to an clear institute for help but i dont know who really to help.

JennyH

New Member

03 Feb 2011 11:49 PM
I read this with great interest. She said she was getting a new xray in December 2009 but then there was no more posts. Do we assume therefore that the curve went back to its original size?

vaadman

Basic Member

22 Jan 2011 08:16 AM
It's great to see a more intelligent approach to scoliosis. I don't go to a Clear Institute doctor, but I have been going to a gifted chiropractor that has many excellent tools such as the Pro-Aduster and flexioin-distraction tables. I've been going for 20 years with truly amazing results considering my family has such a strong genetic tendency for scoliosis. I've noticed that using ice packs followed by moist heating pads (always moist) conditions the muscles to accept the spinal changes that our treatments are trying to achieve. This might help some of you that feel you have hit a wall with your curvature reductions. The manipulation part is great, but your muscles can only accommodate so much spinal movement within a given period of time. I believe the ice/moist heat combination helps accelerate the process. I've also had good success with the electrical therapies such as interferential, microcurrent, ultrasound, and cold laser. I've watched the Clear-Institute video and it sound like a winner. So all of you stay diligent and don't let any ignorant doctor or person discourage you. And don't forget good nutrition.

Still Hoping

New Member

26 Aug 2010 06:44 PM
Any one else out there please join in. It is easy and takes a second (no kidding).

Still Hoping

New Member

26 Aug 2010 06:40 PM
Oh Dear Mary Lane, I have LOVED reading about you and your daughters story. I am on the dark path of a being parent of a daughter with scoliosis. I have so much to say. My daughter's curve now is at least 33 degrees thoracic and I am heartbroken. We too, went to the CLEAR Institute in Green Bay for a 2 wk. intensive. I will give very precise details as to what we did and how it has turned out. I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU!!! I hope you come back and visit this website again and see this. I will definitely continue this at a later time. Anyone else who would like to comment please do so!

Mary Lane

Basic Member

01 Dec 2009 07:23 AM
Actually...am getting a new xray on Thurs(Dec 3 '09) to see how the NEW neuromuscular rehab. is going. I picked Dr. Dovorany since he was closest to Michigan. A 62 degree curve is nothing to sneeze at, but CLEAR keeps trying and learning...... new, more effective means, of reducing the curve. I'd pick the one that is closest to your home.....

Karena

Basic Member

21 Nov 2009 11:26 PM
Hi Mary Lane, Thank you for your story. Has your daughter been able to maintain the reduced curve? I am currently trying to decide where to take my son: just about 16 years old with a 62 degree curve. I am torn between Dovorny and Stitzel as I have heard great things about both doctors. How did you decide on Dovorny? Thank you! Karena

Mary Lane

Basic Member

01 Oct 2009 06:39 AM
artgirl, Dr. Dovorany's office is only an 8 hour car ride from our home in Michigan...while Dr. Hersch requires air travel. Dr Hersch uses more of a shot gun approach...our daughter did EVERYTHING, which was nice, at the time, since she was just starting out. Dr Dovorany is more precise and focuses in on the uniqueness of an individual's curve. The neighborhood around Dr. Dovorany's office is very nice and home- like..while Dr. Hersch's office is in a more dangerous part of town. So location and treatment approach were the 2 main reasons we switched. Hope this helps, Mary Lane

artgirl

Basic Member

30 Sep 2009 03:04 AM
i would like to know why you left the connecticut clinic and decided to go to wisconsin? thanks

Mary Lane

Basic Member

29 Sep 2009 06:17 AM
hdong, Pretty much everything changed when her curves reduced....and yes, she got a bit taller. No, her curves did not reduce the second time around...which was a real bummer.. BUT..I hadn't expected them to reduce as much as they had the first time. Everyone had told me only surgery could move a curve but I went with my gut and CLEAR did move her curve.. We have done the at home program (which includes the traction chair) twice a day now, for a year. Hope this answers your questions, Mary Lane

hdong

New Member

29 Sep 2009 04:43 AM
Hello Mary Lane, I am so glad to hear that good news for your daughter. Did your daughter height changed when her curves droped from from 33/36 to 19/20? Did her curves change when returned again to Dr. Dovorany(Wisconsin) in May '09? Did you use scoliosis chair at home? Thanks, Hua

Mary Lane

Basic Member

25 Sep 2009 06:56 AM
Have been meaning to post back on how Christina is doing. She returned again to Dr. Dovorany(Wisconsin) in May '09 so have been doing program faithfully for over a year(at home program). The two week intensive was TOUGH on Christina this time around as her spine was saying "No Go" to anymore reduction in curvature. Dr. Dovorany was his usual excellent self and worked his hardest to try different ways to get more reduction. We've learned to be patient with this whole process since the reduction of cobbs (something we only thought possible by surgery) is possible, without surgery, but we know it will take alot longer then 6/8 hours for permanent changes to happen patience...patience...patience... Christina continues to enjoy many of the benefits since starting CLEAR...reduced pain....postural improvements...visual reduction of some of the deformities she had. We will continue with the program for another year or more...once the routine is established it is pretty easy to stick to.. Dr Dovorany(Wisconsin)has been a top notch Sherlock Holmes of scoliosis...trying to unravel the mysteries of our daughter's particular curvature. It is no small task and we've been so impressed with his motivation to try new ideas and improve on an already excellent treatment plan. We started CLEAR and we intend to stick to the program as long as necessary not only for our daughter's benefit but also for the benefit of others who can learn from our experience. Will post back with updates. Mary Lane

Mary Lane

Basic Member

12 Feb 2009 05:14 AM
We found out Christina had scoliosis when she was around 12.. 13. We were told to watch and wait:mad: When she was around 15- 16 her deformities were starting to increase...hip out ...hump bigger...the usual scoliosis joys. But the part that had us scared was her daily pain on her convex curve side. Daily pain...pain killers..heating pad etc. We were getting worried, so I went to the local Chiropractor(not clear institute trained) to get xrays. I pretty much had a nervous breakdown when I saw her curves(classic "s" idiopathic scoliosis)had jumped to 32/35ish range.(17 yrs old now) I was so worked up..I knew these numbers were not good!!!! Off to the internet I frantically went....awww Spinacore brace..."lets put her in that all day, that will hold her.":crying: Well, Christina's tears when we told her the idea (thank God) sent us back to the internet. In May of 2008, we went to a week intensive in Conneticut which got us started with some of clear's therapy...she got some relief and we started the exercise regimen 2x's a day. In Sept. 2008 we found Dr. Dovorany on the new,improved clear institute website. So headed to Wisconsin for 2 weeks(6 hours a day) intensive therapy. The office, the staff, Dr. Dovorany..professional, friendly,EXCELLENT. I could tell he knew his stuff and his heart was in it. He and Christina worked like crazy for the two weeks...and the final xray revealed she had gone from 33/36 to 19/20.......SHOCKER!!!! We expected change, but this had exceeded all expectations.:) Dr Dovorany, armed with these new therapy ideas, did a miracle!!!!! We do the 1 hour a.m./ 1 hour p.m. daily exercises at home..(usually take one day off a week, just because she is doing so well). Here are all the improvements since Dr Dovorany and clear institute's "magic".: overall appearance: head tip to rt. only slight now low lft. shoulder only slight now stick out rt. hip geatly improved hump on back slowly reducing NO MORE PAIN!!!!:)from daily pain, to only slight tightness when she exercises super hard. sideview: she used to be flat as a board from the side,. no natural curves. now both her cervical and lumbar curves are improving. texture: her back used to feel like a stone when we would massage it, now it is very soft and pliable. greatly improved. curves: well, 33/36 to 19/20 NO BRACE NO SURGERY ALL NATURAL!!!! Could we ask for anything more? We are already scheduled to go back in May 2009..for another 2 weeks (our insurance paid half...BEST MONEY WE EVER SPENT!!!!)Dr.Dovorany was so amazing!! Can't wait to go back!! Excited to see Christina's spine get even healthier. (will post back with results.) To me, the decision to do this therapy was a no brainer..brace ?? surgery???? or a natural approach that gives the body, the tools, it needs, to heal itself!!! Hope this post helps someone along the way!!! Sincerely, Mary Lane and Christina Lane

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